Hoping to Solve a German Genealogy Mystery at the FHL During RootsTech/FGS

Hoping to Solve a German Genealogy Mystery at the FHL During RootsTech/FGS

I have a couple of questions I want to answer while I'm at the RootsTech/Federation of Genealogical Societies joint conference in Salt Lake City Feb. 12-14, and have access to the Family History Library (FHL) just down the road:1. Which Caspar is it? One of my fourth-great-grandfathers was Casparus Ladenkoetter...

I have a couple of questions I want to answer while I’m at the RootsTech/Federation of Genealogical Societies joint conference in Salt Lake City Feb. 12-14, and have access to the Family History Library (FHL) just down the road:

1. Which Caspar is it?
One of my fourth-great-grandfathers was Casparus Ladenkoetter (or Ladenkotter, the spelling in most American records), according to the birth record of his son Franciscus Josephus (he went by Joseph), born July 1, 1814.

FamilySearch.org’s online index to German baptismal and marriage records includes Rheine, Germany, where they were from, and one afternoon I mapped out a working tree on my kids’ coloring paper with as many Ladenkoetters as I could find in FamilySearch.org records. The circled area is Joseph’s branch:

Here’s a close-up:

My problem is the German tendency to name siblings similarly. According to the records, Joan Caspar Ladenkotter was born March 27, 1780, and his brother, Johannes Franz Caspar Ladenkoetter, born March 7, 1781.

I don’t know which one is the right guy to be Joseph’s father (searching FamilySearch doesn’t turn up a death record for either one). Maybe Caspar’s microfilmed marriage record gives his full name or birthdate, or maybe Joseph’s or a sibling’s baptismal record gives the father’s full name.

2. If I get that done …
My second-great-grandfather Heinrich Arnold Seeger was born in Steinfeld, Germany, Feb. 26, 1852. The FHL has microfilmed church records from there, and I want to find Heinrich’s baptismal record, his parents’ marriage record, and any siblings.

I have these jobs and the relevant microfilm numbers in my research log in Google Drive, which I can access on my phone, and I’ll print out the info just in case. My research time will be tight, so I want to make sure I can hit the ground running.

The FHL has extended hours during the conference:

  • Tuesday through Friday, Feb. 10-14: 8 a.m. to 9 p.m.
  • Saturday, Feb: 15: 8 a.m. to 5 p.m.

RootsTech/FGS exhibit hall hours are

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  1. Hi Diane,

    I think you know the best way to search for German records for free?
    CompGen Meta search on meta.genealogy.net – this search the whole Genealogy.net databases and a couple more.

    I tried it and find your Ladenkötter 🙂
    http://gedbas.genealogy.net/person/show/28136149

    I don’t find Arnold Seeger – but they have a couple of Seegers in den German casualty list of WW1
    http://meta.genealogy.net/search/index

    Good luck with your research!
    Timo (from northern Germany)

  2. Diane,

    ?I suspect that the first Caspar died shortly after birth in 1780, especially if you don’t find two Caspars being confirmed or marrying or having two sets of children.

    ?Sometimes when a child dies as an infant, the early death is indicated by a mark (a cross) on the baptismal/christening record, and there is no additional separate record of the death. This would explain the lack of a death record. The transcribers in that data set were busy recording baptismal records, not death records. Even though the clergy recording dates/ages at the times of confirmations, marriages, or burials could plainly see from looking back in the book which one had died and which one lived, researchers today using transcribed records can’t. These were times of high infant mortality.

    Also, it was common for the next child of the same sex born to the same couple to be named the same. Here the boy born next was also named Caspar, albeit with a little extra in the name – maybe an additional godparent the time.

    Barring other unknown problems, if there is an X (cross) by the 1780 Caspar’s baptism, with or without a date or cause of death, I think the 1781 Caspar is the one who survived.

    Ernie Thode